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No Holster in the Drug Box: Arming of EMTs

EMS/Legal Tidbits, First Responder, Paramedic

I received an email from a fellow firefighter and EMT that asked me about South Carolina law concerning firefighters, EMT’s and paramedics arming themselves with either lethal and/or non-lethal weapons.

I will first discuss the applicable South Carolina law on this issue.  Next, I will discuss fire and EMS departmental concerns on this issue.  I will conclude with my personal thoughts.

N.B.:  South Carolina has a number of public-safety departments whose members are both certified law enforcement officers and firefighters/emts/paramedics.  The majority of the below will not apply to these departments and their members, as SC provides expressly for certified law enforcement offers the ability to carry openly and/or concealed just about everywhere in the State.

I.  South Carolina Law

A.  SC Authorization to Carry a Pistol

South Carolina law does not expressly provide for firefighters, EMTs, and paramedics to “carry about the person, any pistol whether concealed or not…”1

In South Carolina your occupational status as a firefighter, EMT, or paramedic does not provide you open-carry or concealed-carry rights in the performance of your fire and EMS duties.

In other words, in order for you to carry while on duty, and in the performance of your fire and EMS duties, you must possess a valid South Carolina Concealed Weapons Permit issued from the State Law Enforcement Division.

B.  SC Prohibited Places for Concealed Carry

1. South Carolina law expressly forbids concealed weapons permit holders from carrying in the following places:  “private or public school, college, university, technical college, other post‑secondary institution, or into any publicly‑owned building2

Your fire station or EMS station is likely a publicly owned building, therefore should you carry there, you are committing a criminal offense.

If you work for a private fire or EMS agency that is not publicly-owned, mere carry into that building may not be a crime, but South Carolina sets forth other prohibited places for concealed carry.

2. South Carolina law expressly forbids concealed weapons permit holders from carrying “into the residence or dwelling place of another person without the express permission of the owner or person in legal control or possession.”3

The majority of fire and EMS calls are to “the residence or dwelling place of another person.” In order for you to legally carry concealed into someones house, you would have to get their permission first.

Asking for permission gives away the fact that you are carrying concealed, defeating the purpose.  Additionally, since you arrive at their doorstep in an official capacity, any consent they do give would likely be determined to be invalid as being made under duress.  The consent is likely invalid because they may reasonably believe should they deny your request it would prevent you from putting out their fire or rendering them medical assistance.

If you violate this provision you are guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be fined not less than one thousand dollars or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both, at the discretion of the court and have [your] permit revoked for five years.4

3. South Carolina law expressly forbids concealed weapons permit holders from carrying into a “hospital, medical clinic, doctor’s office, or any other facility where medical services or procedures are performed unless expressly authorized by the employer.”

This covers where we transport our patients, and sometimes where we pick them up.

If you violate this provision you are guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be fined not less than one thousand dollars or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both, at the discretion of the court and have [your] permit revoked for five years.5

C.  Non-Lethal Self Defense Weapons

Self-defense weapons generally considered non-lethal, such as pepper spray, are not covered by the SC Concealed Weapons Permit law, and are not expressly forbidden for firefighters, EMTs or paramedics to carry.6

D.  SC Law, Conclusion

There are other prohibitions on places of carry, however I feel these are the most applicable ones to the issue at hand.  If you hold a valid South Carolina CWP, you should have been made aware of these prohibitions in your training class.  If not, or if you have forgotten them, visit the SC Code sections referenced, or visit one of the many Concealed Carry advocacy groups.

It should be rather evident that from the above that South Carolina law is quite hostile to any firefighter, EMT, or paramedic that chooses to employ their Concealed Weapons Permit to carry concealed on-duty.

Self-defense weapons generally considered non-lethal, such as pepper spray, are not covered by the SC Concealed Weapons Permit law, and are not expressly forbidden for firefighters, EMTs or paramedics to carry.

The carry of non-lethal self defense weapons will likely be determined by individual department or service policy, and is what we will discuss next.

II.  Fire and EMS Department Policy on Lethal and Non-lethal Weapons

A.  Policy on Concealed Weapons

If your fire or EMS department does not have a policy forbidding the concealed carry of weapons into the stations, and forbidding the concealed carry of weapons while on duty, it should.  Immediately.

My discussion of the applicable South Carolina law above should be all that is required to support such a policy, aside from the liability implications of an employee discharging a firearm on duty.

B.  Volunteers and Concealed Carry

Volunteers are a valuable resource to lots of departments across this State.  If your fire or EMS department utilizes volunteers who respond POV from various locations, you need to be aware that your members may be carrying concealed weapons and bringing them to your scene.

While it may have been legal for them to carry where they were prior to their response, it may not be legal for them to carry into your scene, your station, and the hospital.

Your department should have a policy in place that deals specifically with volunteers responding with concealed weapons.  An easy solution would be to have your members secure their weapons in a locked glove box or console within their vehicle prior to exiting and performing their duties.

C.  Sign Requirements for Prohibiting Concealed Carry

Even though SC law expressly forbids carry into publicly-owned buildings, your department needs to reference SC Code Section 23-31-235, on the proper signage requirements required by law designating the station or other facilities as a prohibited place for concealed carry.

If you are a private fire or EMS agency, then you definitely need to reference this code section.  The stickers you buy at Staples to stick on the door likely fail to meet the legal signage requirements for legally prohibiting concealed carry.

D.  Policy on Carry of Non-Lethal Self-Defense Weapons

If your fire or EMS department does not have a policy on the  carry of non-lethal self defense weapons you may need to consider one.  You need to be aware that your personnel may already be carrying a variety of such weapons on-duty without your knowledge.

If you lack any policy and your personnel carry non-lethal self defense weapons, you should know that your department is liable for any injury that results from their use of such weapons.  Non-lethal does not mean non-injurious.

If your personnel are carrying non-lethal self defense weapons with your permission, hopefully you have considered the following:

  1. Does your department have a continuum of force protocol?
  2. Does your Medical Director approve of a Non-Lethal Self Defense protocol?
  3. Does your department train your personnel in the proper use of non-lethal self defense weapons?
  4. Does your department issue non-lethal self defense weapons?

These are just some basic questions, but you should get the idea.  A plaintiff’s lawyer could have a field day with you on the stand over just these questions, and this is just the tip of the iceberg of considerations.

III.  Personal Opinions on the Arming of Firefighters and EMTs

First off, I hunt, I shoot, and I own firearms, including firearms for self-defense.  I am a firm believer in the Second Amendment imparting an individual right.

I cannot, however, support arming firefighters, EMTs or paramedics with lethal weapons.  Ambulance Driver has a previous post on this as well.  Further, I cannot imagine a department knowingly permitting their members to carry concealed weapons on duty.  The potential liability and public relations implications are huge.

If the scene is not safe, stage and wait for law enforcement.  Wait however long it takes.

If the scene deteriorates, retreat to a position of safety.  If law enforcement is not already on scene, get them.  Do not re-enter the scene until law enforcement has secured it and made it safe to re-enter.

If a patient attacks you or is uncontrollably combatative in the back of the ambulance, stop the ambulance in a safe place and retreat.  Use only what force is required to retreat and get to a position of safety.  It is not patient abandonment if you retreat for your own safety.  Get law enforcement on scene and allow them to use their tools and training to handle the combatative patient.

Further, if you were assaulted then you will need them anyway to file charges on the patient.  It is a crime in SC to assault a firefighter, EMT or paramedic in the performance of their duties.

Some may argue that pepper spray or other non-lethal weapons are needed to ensure that you can escape a situation.  That may be true.   It is a crazy and violent world.  I have worked in Savannah with medics wearing body armor and carrying pepper spray.  (Although I had neither!)  I understand that fire and EMS departments are issuing body armor to their members.

However, I consider the carry and use of  non-lethal weapons anathema to our mission and in violation of our hard earned status as non-combatants.  We are not the police, and that affords us a level of patient trust and interaction that our LEO friends don’t receive.

In my opinion carrying weapons and deploying weapons on our patients (or bystanders) revokes our non-combatant status and places us in greater danger.

These are just my personal thoughts on the matter.

Each jurisdiction is different, and may determine that their members need these tools.  I just hope that those of us in the streets and those in administration take the time to answer the tough questions and perform the proper risk-benefit analysis in making a decision on this topic.

I would enjoy hearing why you agree or disagree.

  1. SC Code of Laws, Section 16-23-20.  See also, SC Code of Laws, Section 23-31-240. []
  2. SC Code of Laws, Section 16-23-420. []
  3. SC Code of Laws, Section 23-31-225 []
  4. Id. []
  5. SC Code of Laws, Section 23-31-215. []
  6. Id. []
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Photographers On-Scene: Ready for Your Close-up?

EMS/Legal Tidbits, First Responder, HIPAA, Paramedic

Allegedly1  a Firefighter/EMT with the Keene (N.H) Fire Department was being videotaped during a call.  The resulting videotape has been published on YouTube and shows the Firefighter/EMT striking the video camera held by one photographer and confiscating a camera-equipped cell phone from another bystander.

Here is the video (H/T STATter911):

Here is an article describing the events surrounding the scene.2  The notable portion of the article is this:

Aubern Goodwin was able to stay with Kurt for a short while when he was placed into a holding area.  She reportedly witnessed Mr. Rivera violently attack the handcuffed Mr. Hoffman.  A call was put out to the Keene Fire/EMS for an ambulance as the attack injured Kurt’s neck.  The EMS and sheriffs arrived and started ordering cameras turned off and areas cleared of people, all while spouting irrelevant HIPAA regulations in a blatant attempt to assert authority.   One of the EMS workers, Captain Ronald Leslie, even stole a camera, directly snatching it out of a videographer’s hand.

Here is a letter written by the person who had their cell phone confiscated directed toward the Firefighter/EMT.

In this day and age cameras are everywhere.  If you haven’t yet been photographed or filmed, you will be.

Let’s discuss some important topics so that you won’t be immortalized on YouTube and have the Fire and EMS blogs replaying your 15-minutes of infamy.

1.  Smile: A Picture is Worth a Thousand Words

People can photograph and film you performing your firefighting and/or EMS duties.  The general rule is that anyone may take photographs of whatever they want when they are in a public place or places where they have permission to take photographs.3 Streets, sidewalks, and public parks are examples of places that are traditionally considered public.

Property owners may legally prohibit photography on their premises but have no right to prohibit others from photographing their property from other locations.4

There are some exceptions though.  You can’t be photographed or filmed where it is specifically prohibited by law.  By law, I mean there must be a specific local ordinance or state law that prohibits photography in that specific location.  Private ‘No Photography’ signs not backed by a local ordinance or state law likely are worthless.

The take away: you can legally be photographed or filmed without your consent when you are in a public place where you have no reasonable expectation of privacy. 5

2. Film, Memory Cards, Video Tape:  It’s Not Yours To Take

You cannot confiscate cameras, film, memory cards or video tape. That’s theft.

You cannot demand film, memory cards or video tape be erased. That’s theft, too.

You cannot physically threaten a photographer.  That’s assault.

You cannot prevent a photographer from leaving the scene unless they comply with your unlawful confiscation or erasure demands.  That’s false imprisonment or kidnapping.

Got it? Good.

3.  Camera Grabbing: Relax, Don’t Do It

Battery is both a criminal act and a civil tort.  At common law, simple battery is an unlawful application of force to the person of another resulting in either bodily injury or an offensive touching.  The common-law elements serve as a basic template; but individual jurisdictions may alter them, and they may vary slightly from state to state.

Importantly here, battery need not require body-to-body contact.  Touching an object “intimately connected” to a person (such as an object he or she is holding) can also be battery.6

Grabbing, striking or hitting a camera, camera-phone, or video camera held by a photographer is likely battery.  The photographer can file criminal battery charges against you and the photographer can sue you civilly for battery.

It’s simple. Don’t touch the camera.

4.  Three’s a Crowd: Properly Making a Safe Work Space

If you find yourself crowded by a gaggle of paparazzi or even an overzealous single photographer, they may be interfering with your ability to do your job.  In this case there is a right way and a wrong way to create a proper and safe working environment.  As we discussed above, grabbing cameras or physically pushing photographers is the wrong way.

Utilize the available law enforcement on scene or get them on scene to assist you.  All jurisdictions have disorderly conduct laws that the LEO’s can enforce.  Disorderly conduct laws prohibit people from engaging in behavior that causes inconvenience, annoyance or alarm through disruptive behavior.  Interfering with a firefighter or paramedic in the performance of their duties is likely to constitute extreme behavior rising to disorderly conduct.

Additionally, most jurisdictions have specific laws against interfering with police, fire or EMS workers in the performance of their official duties.

However, as an EMT or Paramedic your job is patient care, not law enforcement.  Let the experts handle it.  Get law enforcement on scene to assist you and allow them to handle the situation while you focus on the patient.

5.  Silence: It’s Not Just for Mimes

The initial mistake I see from the video above is that the FF/EMT acknowledged and responded to the verbal taunts from the photographer.  The photographer appears to be purposefully taunting and berating in order to elicit a response to capture on film.  In this case he succeeded.

There appears to be an increasing trend of citizen journalists and shock journalists that seek to provoke confrontation to record.  By responding verbally to these photographers they are only encouraged and emboldened.

You do not have to talk to anyone but your patient or someone directly related to the patient so you can properly assess your patient.

Focus on the patient.  Ignore the photographers.

Conclusion

With the increasing prevelance of cameras, camera phones, and small video cameras, it is only a matter of time before you encounter being photographed or filmed on scene.  You need to understand the basics of photographer’s rights and more importantly you need to know what not to do.

By following the 5 simple tips outlined above you can avoid an embarrassment on YouTube, save yourself the trouble of a criminal or civil complaint, and serve your patient by focusing on them rather than the circus around you.

  1. The word ‘allegedly’ is used here as a hedge, as I have not been able to locate a reliable source that details the actual sequence of events and actions.  The posted video and statements from the links provided herein is all that I have presently located. []
  2. It is unclear from reading this if the author was shooting the video in the above clip, was the person who had his camera confiscated, or was an uninvolved witness. []
  3. The Photographer’s Right, Bert P. Krages, 2009.  http://www.krages.com/ThePhotographersRight.pdf []
  4. Id. []
  5. You have a reasonable expectation of privacy only in places like dressing rooms, restrooms, inside your home, etc.  In these instances, the photograph or film is not illegal, rather the invasion of privacy is illegal.  In most jurisdictions invasion of privacy is a civil claim, not a criminal act. []
  6. See Fisher v Carrousel Motor Hotel, Inc., 424 S.W.2d 627 (1967 []
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